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M10 Gohan > CG Gohan ~ M8 Gohan > Boo arc Gohan

M8 Gohan is not CG Gohan... The CG were not revealed and it was not knpwn Gohan was the strongest... M8 Gohan was the weakest saiyan... Rivalling Trunks who was 1st Rosat...

CG Gohan > M10 Gohan ~ Budokai Gohan > M8 Gohan

The power not yet released in the anime thing, what even is that? Thats not an argument. And if we go by your logic than m10 Gohan is at least cg level because it was before it was stated in the anime that he got weaker

No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f***ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed...

Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it

https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/

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[Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time.

The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to.

You dont understand what I am saying.... The movie being under production is irrelevant.... Toei knew everything from the manga... Their knowledge is irrelevant.... Ours is relevant... I claim it has to be first revealed in the anime so it xan be shown in the movie.... The movie can contain anything shown in the series until its release.. If movie 10 was revealed even two episodes after Gohan being said by Vegeta to be much weaker then it can be in the movie... Exactly, Vegeta is SSjin in movie 6 because it was revealed in the anime before... Koyama basically said it in his interview. That's not an interpretation but what he said...

He said movies are especially based on the anime... Also Gohan in movie 10 is not like M8 Goku... Bad example because movie 8 was revealed before the CG were in the anime.... Vegeta saying Gohan got weaker was revealed before movie 10 and Vegeta going SSjin was revealed before movie 6... Besides it was known Gohan got weaker since the beginning of the movie... As for dende in movie 6 thats not about the characters strength so its irrelevant

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No its not.... You cleary lack non canon knowledge... Of course it has to be revealed in the anime first... The movies are f***ing based on the anime.... Also dont start with this again... I already explained you that Movie 10 was revealed after Gohan was said to be weaker.... The movie scans of Gohan were taken from his fight vs Kibito when he was said to be weaker... The movie came between episodes 220 to 221... Gohan was said by Vegeta to be a lot weaker in episode 219... It was revealed...

Here is a comment of the movie producer that explains it

https://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/

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[Takao Koyama]: In Japan, these anime movies that are based on manga, or especially TV anime if they are all done concurrent at the time, are released on a two-movie-a-year schedule. Generally, around March and then July. Of course, we have to start working on these much far ahead of time of where we might even know where the story has gotten. But we have to put on a magician’s hat and predict how far along the story [will be] because the TV series is really prioritized. We cannot get ahead of their storyline. We have to work within the framework that exists or the one we suspect will exist by that time.

The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to.

Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear.

But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie.

Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta.

Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to.

He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue.

What thr hell dose the form he is in mean anything thats right nothing. And goku was excited but he was also serious against beerus so if you are going to try a twist words around at least do a goof job.

Goku can be serious, excited, and trying all at the same time and any combination of them.

My dude, you said he wasnt serious against Hit due to his demeanor. Yet you don't apply the same logic to him fighting Beerus. As for the Kale thing, if he's suppressed in blue as you say then he's not being serious, you cant be holding back in a form and still be serious, that's a contradiction. Yet look at his demeanor whilst fighting Kale, serious.

Goku can be serious and not be full power dose kid buu ring a bell or fat buu. Maybe even vegeta. Hell he was vary serious against freiza but was not at full power.

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The movie was under production before that so dont use that excuse. It doesn't have to be shown in the anime first. That's just bs you made up in your head. They already had the power anyways. It's especially evident considering Vegeta was a SSJ in movie 6 and Dende was guardian in M6. And you're reaching with that quote. You're interpreting it how you want to.

Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear.

But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie.

Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta.

Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to.

He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue.

What thr hell dose the form he is in mean anything thats right nothing. And goku was excited but he was also serious against beerus so if you are going to try a twist words around at least do a goof job.

Goku can be serious, excited, and trying all at the same time and any combination of them.

My dude, you said he wasnt serious against Hit due to his demeanor. Yet you don't apply the same logic to him fighting Beerus. As for the Kale thing, if he's suppressed in blue as you say then he's not being serious, you cant be holding back in a form and still be serious, that's a contradiction. Yet look at his demeanor whilst fighting Kale, serious.

Goku can be serious and not be full power dose kid buu ring a bell or fat buu. Maybe even vegeta. Hell he was vary serious against freiza but was not at full power.

Goku was pissed and struggled with Frieza. Kid Buu was stronger than him so ofc he was serious and struggling. He was equal to Vegeta in SSJ2, so as far as that form goes he was serious. But Goku wasn't in a weaker form vs Kale. He wasn't serious with Majin Buu. He was trolling Buu half the time by teleporting away and even used him as a paddle-ball. What are you using to determine whether or not he's at full-power? Cause last time you said demeanor but now you're back-pedaling on that. What implies that Goku wasn't using 100% of his power against Hit?

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Quoting limited to 10 levels deephttps://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/

Interpreting something how someone wants to thats a everyday thing in life. No one sees something the same as others you vs the majority should have made that clear.

But anyway gohan was speaking to broly so this like he said was talking about his power from M8 which gohan was weaker then his father to M10 with new transformation which means he has gotten stronger since the last time they fought not stronger since the cell games that was made clear in the movie.

Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta.

Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to.

He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue.

What thr hell dose the form he is in mean anything thats right nothing. And goku was excited but he was also serious against beerus so if you are going to try a twist words around at least do a goof job.

Goku can be serious, excited, and trying all at the same time and any combination of them.

My dude, you said he wasnt serious against Hit due to his demeanor. Yet you don't apply the same logic to him fighting Beerus. As for the Kale thing, if he's suppressed in blue as you say then he's not being serious, you cant be holding back in a form and still be serious, that's a contradiction. Yet look at his demeanor whilst fighting Kale, serious.

Goku can be serious and not be full power dose kid buu ring a bell or fat buu. Maybe even vegeta. Hell he was vary serious against freiza but was not at full power.

Goku was pissed and struggled with Frieza. Kid Buu was stronger than him so ofc he was serious and struggling. He was equal to Vegeta in SSJ2, so as far as that form goes he was serious. But Goku wasn't in a weaker form vs Kale. He wasn't serious with Majin Buu. He was trolling Buu half the time by teleporting away and even used him as a paddle-ball. What are you using to determine whether or not he's at full-power? Cause last time you said demeanor but now you're back-pedaling on that. What implies that Goku wasn't using 100% of his power against Hit?

Freiza he did not go all out he wanted freiza to know he had absolutely no chance. Kid buu and fat buu he even states that if he went all out ge could have killed them. Vegeta he did not use ssj3 so try again. You have to look at more then just there expression you have to look at the characters history. Statements. Which you ignore. Im not backtracking you just cant comprehend that there is more to things then just face value.

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Quoting limited to 10 levels deephttps://sakugapowah.wordpress.com/2015/09/07/takao-koyama-and-makoto-koyama-dragon-ball-screenwriting-panel-at-wakuwaku-nyc-part-1-of-2/

Says the worst debater on this site >.> You said Goku wasn't taking Hit seriously due to the fact that he was excited. Well given his attitude vs Kale if we go by your logic he was serious, but at the same time you say he was "holding back". Even if Gohan lost power it's not as much as fans make it out to be. Against Broly he was defenseless, 7 year gap Gohan could at least hurt Goku and Vegeta.

Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to.

He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue.

What thr hell dose the form he is in mean anything thats right nothing. And goku was excited but he was also serious against beerus so if you are going to try a twist words around at least do a goof job.

Goku can be serious, excited, and trying all at the same time and any combination of them.

My dude, you said he wasnt serious against Hit due to his demeanor. Yet you don't apply the same logic to him fighting Beerus. As for the Kale thing, if he's suppressed in blue as you say then he's not being serious, you cant be holding back in a form and still be serious, that's a contradiction. Yet look at his demeanor whilst fighting Kale, serious.

Goku can be serious and not be full power dose kid buu ring a bell or fat buu. Maybe even vegeta. Hell he was vary serious against freiza but was not at full power.

Goku was pissed and struggled with Frieza. Kid Buu was stronger than him so ofc he was serious and struggling. He was equal to Vegeta in SSJ2, so as far as that form goes he was serious. But Goku wasn't in a weaker form vs Kale. He wasn't serious with Majin Buu. He was trolling Buu half the time by teleporting away and even used him as a paddle-ball. What are you using to determine whether or not he's at full-power? Cause last time you said demeanor but now you're back-pedaling on that. What implies that Goku wasn't using 100% of his power against Hit?

Freiza he did not go all out he wanted freiza to know he had absolutely no chance. Kid buu and fat buu he even states that if he went all out ge could have killed them. Vegeta he did not use ssj3 so try again. You have to look at more then just there expression you have to look at the characters history. Statements. Which you ignore. Im not backtracking you just cant comprehend that there is more to things then just face value.

I acknowledged he wasn't going all out against Fat Buu, he outright said against Kid Buu "Ik you're stronger than me, but this isn't just my energy it's everyones" also if he was stronger than why'd he need a SB to win? He went all out against Frieza, where did he ever say he was holding back? I said AS FAR AS SSJ2 GOES, he was serious in his SSJ2 form. What implies that Goku wasn't using 100% of his power against Hit? This is all just special pleading.

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Lol. Heres the thing goku can be both serious and holding back. Especially when he is in a tournament with so many rules. Even tho times like when he fought caulifa he was not serious and obviously not trying vary hard. Tho against kale he was serious but not trying vary hard which was made clear later in the show. Goku has gotten serious many times in the show yet dose not try his hardest. But against hit he obviously was not serious like he was against kale. How serious was he when he fought hit we dont know but obviously not as much as he was against kale or in there second fight. Or against black and zamasu hell even beerus. Now whats the difference that would be whats at stake. Tho you might say he has not gotten vary serious in the tournament not to many people have made him have to.

He was acting excited against Beerus too, your argument doesn't hold up and now that I've pointed out the contradiction in your logic you're doing damage control. Even if we go by your logic it still doesn't work as he wasn't in base or a weaker form, he was in blue.

What thr hell dose the form he is in mean anything thats right nothing. And goku was excited but he was also serious against beerus so if you are going to try a twist words around at least do a goof job.

Goku can be serious, excited, and trying all at the same time and any combination of them.

My dude, you said he wasnt serious against Hit due to his demeanor. Yet you don't apply the same logic to him fighting Beerus. As for the Kale thing, if he's suppressed in blue as you say then he's not being serious, you cant be holding back in a form and still be serious, that's a contradiction. Yet look at his demeanor whilst fighting Kale, serious.

Goku can be serious and not be full power dose kid buu ring a bell or fat buu. Maybe even vegeta. Hell he was vary serious against freiza but was not at full power.

Goku was pissed and struggled with Frieza. Kid Buu was stronger than him so ofc he was serious and struggling. He was equal to Vegeta in SSJ2, so as far as that form goes he was serious. But Goku wasn't in a weaker form vs Kale. He wasn't serious with Majin Buu. He was trolling Buu half the time by teleporting away and even used him as a paddle-ball. What are you using to determine whether or not he's at full-power? Cause last time you said demeanor but now you're back-pedaling on that. What implies that Goku wasn't using 100% of his power against Hit?

Freiza he did not go all out he wanted freiza to know he had absolutely no chance. Kid buu and fat buu he even states that if he went all out ge could have killed them. Vegeta he did not use ssj3 so try again. You have to look at more then just there expression you have to look at the characters history. Statements. Which you ignore. Im not backtracking you just cant comprehend that there is more to things then just face value.

I acknowledged he wasn't going all out against Fat Buu, he outright said against Kid Buu "Ik you're stronger than me, but this isn't just my energy it's everyones" also if he was stronger than why'd he need a SB to win? He went all out against Frieza, where did he ever say he was holding back? I said AS FAR AS SSJ2 GOES, he was serious in his SSJ2 form. What implies that Goku wasn't using 100% of his power against Hit? This is all just special pleading.

Useing ss2 dose not constitute as full power or going all out so again try again. Like i said goku even says if he went all out against kid buu he could have killed buu nothing more nothing less. And yes goku was not going all out against freiza if he did he would have killed him. Goku even gives him energy and still was stronger. Goku even States that he was holding back against freiza. And when he stopped holding back he creamed freiza. So ill give you that goku was both serious while holding back the first half and not the second after namik shenron was summoned. But dose not change the fact he was beating freiza while not going all out. And utterly smashed him afterwards its one of those things you have to look into the statements which you obviously ignore.